Sarah Wilson Instagram – What is the ultimate culprit, sugar or ultra-processed foods? @doctorchrisvt and I have needed to meet for more than a decade – to chat this quandary and stacks more, rapid-fire, agreeing and disagreeing. We finally do in a roller-coasting #wild episode. Soooo much fun! Chris is a London infectious diseases specialist known for his popular BBC health TV programs that he hosts with his identical twin brother (including the kid’s series Operation Ouch; they’ve won two BAFTAs). In his recent bestseller Ultra Processed People: Why Do We All Eat Stuff That Isn’t Food…and Why Can’t We Stop? he exposes how junk food is making us fat and sick, destroying the planet, eradicating traditional cultures, shrinking our faces and making us infertile. We talk about why Pringles are “crack in a cardboard tube”, why he thinks sugar and a lack of exercise is not the problem (!) and instead how the issue is the fact Big Food does NOTHING BUT refine their “profit-making product” to make us more perfectly addicted to it and to eat greater quantities. We also cover how to spot the worst food offenders and how the best fix for beating weight gain is to turn addiction into disgust. Episode linked in bio and available wherever you enjoy your podcasts 🎧✌🏼 #wildwithsarahwilson #podcast #ultraprocessedfoods #iquitsugar #chrisvantulleken